Is ‘Lust-to-Love’ Ass Backwards?
No. It’s not ass-backwards. It is what psychiatrists generally insist upon. It is what most textbooks suggest. And prevailing wisdom seems to be that waiting is better than not.
But who’s foisting this crap?
Men are opportunistic. And this includes their relationships. If they happen to sleep with a woman within the first hour of meeting her, and there’s a genuine connection, he’s not going anywhere.
Definition of “connection” [from the perspective of a man]: “a woman he still loves to look at after he orgasms, and then wants to take out in public in spite of the fact that it’s 2 o’clock in the morning.”
Men want to know what sex will be like before they invest a lot of time and money in someone. They’re practical in this regard. They want to know, for example, if their bodies fit well together? How passionate they are as a couple, not as individuals? How open-minded she is in spite of the fact that she’s Catholic? Does she release the thing inside of him that he doesn’t want to talk about but needs in order to get the fix I mentioned? If the answers are yes, he will not only call her back, but he’ll also do everything else she wants him to do and more, including cuddle with her after intercourse…even if it does mean doing so with CSI Miami running in the background.
Anyway, there’s a limited window of opportunity here.
So men won’t wait indefinitely for the sex, mostly because they can’t. They just can’t. They’ll burn out before they get started if this window exceeds their thresholds. And don’t suggest that he has intimacy issues or that he isn’t good for the long haul, because you don’t even know that about yourself.
The last thing a woman needs is for him to start treating her like a coworker, instead of the lover he’s supposed to be. The guy will eventually walk out using some emotional issue as a pretense. The flame died. That’s what happened. The glue never solidified because it was never released in the first place. You have to light the god-damned fire first and then jump off the cliff. If you don’t, he’s out the door before you ever know what you had.
Men are not interested in being your friend. They are interested in being your lover, then your friend…but with exceptions. If you become too chummy, he’ll stop thinking of you as a girlfriend. One manifestation of this is that he’ll stop staring at your ass, not because you don’t have a nice ass, but because it now reminds him of his sister and he doesn’t want to sleep with her no matter what she looks like. Believe me when I tell you, you do not want your man to fall into this vortex, because getting him out of it can be a perilous undertaking.
Remember, men are quite simple. They want to be fucked, fed and respected. They also have a pathological aversion to being hassled, by the way. So if you can get past this you have a shot at a sustainable relationship. Understand that, eventually, men become just as vulnerable [if not more so], so be patient.
I realize this answer isn’t elaborate, or in some minds, sufficient. But men are very simple, and generally ruled by primitive instincts that are too complicated to fathom in spite of their simplicity.
This isn’t a cop out. It’s the truth, even if it is a cop out.
Men are basically little boys who require nurturing they don’t get anywhere else. So in this sense they need a mother who doesn’t remind them of one.
They like to objectify the women they’re with. This keeps her a safe distance from the incest thing. She’s just an object and then a girlfriend, and not the other way around. He may not admit this, but it’s true.
In a sense they’re fulfilling a primitive role. Women cannot withhold this instinct from them for more than a short period of time or they’ll risk becoming something other than what they want to be.
There are two different paths to the same objective. Women want the emotional connection but they have to be willing to allow a man to get there in his own way. The fact that she’s afraid that he’ll leave her after he’s slept with her is a chance she must take. It’s the way of things. The longer she withholds, the less interested he becomes. Men like the idea of communicating with a woman on an intellectual level, but crossing the line into the realm of friendship can have an adverse effect on the stability of the template that he needs in order to build a healthy relationship. If he doesn’t feel like the man from the start, she can’t construct that person down the line.
Some women empower men to be men. Others stifle it by trying to control them. Some women make better lovers than friends. Sometimes it’s the other way around. Therapists are always trying to get their patients to merge Madonna and Whore into one super-being, but I’m not sure it’s possible. If women understood this they would allow men unfettered access and then counterattack when they’re more vulnerable.
You didn’t hear this from me, by the way.
So if you want to win, you have to allow a man to objectify you. It would be preferable if you appreciated his perception of things, because eventually you’ll get busted for your obfuscation. So be on board with who he is and don’t even think about being passive-aggressive with him when he misbehaves. This who he is, and if you don’t like it, find a girlfriend and a dog.
Okay, so first he’s in love with your ass or your legs or the way you smile at him. This is where it all begins for a man, in some rainforest without boundaries. You’re just the other animal in a mating dance. You’re shadow-boxing in the dark. Feeling one another out. Not intellectualizing. Feeling. Groping in most cases. But it’s about the emotional, the sensual and the primal. This is life on the loose. Where two people blindly walk through the door for the dopamine mines that transform what they once were into something entirely different. What happens next is anyone’s guess, but that isn’t the point. The point is to get through the fucking door.
See, when you sleep with a man he wants to believe you’re doing it because you can’t not do it. Of course, some men also like hookers who do what they’re told, knowing that they couldn’t care less, but this essay isn’t about sociopaths or teenagers.
It’s about men like myself who want some connection to a woman beyond penetration. So let me repeat: The woman must first embrace his primitive instincts, and then accept the fact that he is not a woman, not her best friend [the way her girlfriends are best friends], and not interested in comingling vulnerability with what happens in the bedroom, unless it involves some form of bondage wherein he’s just as disconnected.
In summation, Whore and Madonna are two separate beings. If they do happen to merge, his concept of Madonna better look a hell of a lot more like the one that makes records than the archetype.























Off for a walk with Aims. Nice title, babe.
xoxo
Ok, so you would be done with “The Game” if you could find this in a woman? This doesnt’ sound like alot to ask. I can not believe you have not found her yet? maybe you are just too hard to please Jay? Or maybe a tiger just does not change his stripes. Or can’t change them.
KatWoman,
Please define “too hard to please…” Also, if the implication is that I live my life exactly the way i choose to live it, you’re right. The bars get higher the more comfortable our lives become. And this includes affluent and/or successful women, by the way.
Why don’t you address the rest of my message first. There was plenty in there to keep you busy. It always sounds like you find reasons NOT to date someone. Honestly, “too hard to please” leaves little for loose interpretation. Perhaps you just like to argue is all. Just like you like to get the sex in the first hour before you drop cash & energy into us, maybe we want you to show us who you are before we drop our panties.
Are you really middle-aged? You write like a hard up teenage. I question this blog.
Interesting comments; particularly the one about “hard up teenager.” I’m hardly that, but you’re entitled to your opinions. Onto your main point: I am not ALWAYS the subject of my discussions. I am an observer. But I also live in this world, however, so a piece of me is in all of it. My reasons for not dating any given person would be some major personality conflict, sexual disinterest and/or some substance abuse. And as for the sex in the first hour thing, I never push it. Ever. If it happens it isn’t because I’m being in any way aggressive. Women are also sexual creatures, by the way. I simply believe that when sex is withheld for too long, the fire dies. This is especially true if the two people become close friends…which isn’t a negative thing, but one reason the cards fall the way they so often do.
I have to agree wiyh you. If she can hold out she is toying with your head and she will never desire you the way your wanting her to. Best to move on. Frigid women do not change. Crazy women can calm down with a stable relatiosnhip i know this from exp. Drugees are just losers period. Find one you are jsut hot for all the time and you will be good. Promise. Good Luck man.
Amen…
Lame. It is always better to be friends first. Sex will come on it’s own. Never rush sex. Women know they lose men when they do this. It is the truth. I am female & I know this. You should know as much as you can about people first.
I do think it is passive aggressive to write this article to get yourwoman to sleep with you. That is predatory & sick. You know full well she will see this and give in to you. That is pressureing her, & not her acting on own free will which defeats the the purpose.. Now you will never know when she would have naturally given in. Why would she want a guy that would stoop to this level? You need to start over with a new one now.
I hope she sticks to her guns. Like you have not slept with the whole world already. She probably doesn’t want to catch anything. Smart Girl
You women are hysterical.
Dude, you have a sick way of “falling in love” Women are not objects at all. You really come across as a woman hater. This woman has probably got too much sense to get mixed up with you. You need serious help. You sound like a drug addict trying to manipulate for your next fix. Your deep-seated depression has made you the ultimate passive aggressor. I have been reading your blog a little here and there, & I feel compelled to speak up. You make the rest of us older guys look bad. Women look to us for compassion, not this power play.
Jim,
Thanks for writing. Your words are very passionate and if I felt the way that you describe me I would express myself in a similar way. But you’ve missed the mark on this one…along with countless others who don’t post here, but instead, email me directly through the site. To your first point, “women are not objects.” Women are in fact objects to men in the sense that men are visual — some more so than others. This does not mean that women are incapable of thought or feelings. This is simply male wiring. We look at someone and fall in love with what we see. Appearance merely opens the door for us, that’s it. Women tend to fall in love with the person over time, whether or not he fits her ideal physical profile. I’m not the only one saying this, by the way. My point is that when women try to determine compatibilty over a period of MONTHS without sexual interaction, the fire can often die because the man befriends her, which eclipses his desire to make love to her. There is nothing wrong with the friendship, but men tend to move from lust to love and not the other way around. And none of what i say applies to all people. Some men operate very differently, i just don’t know them. why I would want to make older men look bad is absurd. I am an older man and i have never been happier. And the older men i write about are generally the same. My blog is merely a reflection of what I see happening within my culture group, not what I make up. And as for compassion, i wouldn’t have so many female friends if I had none, believe me. If you don’t believe this, you probably don’t have any yourself. The drugs and passive-aggressive comments I’ll leave for you to reconcile on your own.
This is so dead on, at least for me. Physical attraction is an important component of a romantic relationship. I also think it helps cement platonic relationships, but that’s a topic for another day.
I have had deep, meaningful relationships with women who have “given it up” on the first or second date. I’m talking about multi-year, committed, monogamous relationships. Would some men take advantage of women who don’t hold out? Sure, probably. Just hasn’t been the case for me.
Also, I had a very recent experience in chemistry. The attraction I felt for this woman was instant and mutual. We spent the rest of the night getting to know each other more at a “superficial” (and somewhat physical) level. At first I was attracted to the body, the look in the eyes, whatever… but that made me open to be attracted to the mind and the personality. Turned out it was a “jackpot” moment for me, and completely unexpected and serendipitous.
I don’t know if this current “relationship” (hard to even call it that yet) will go anywhere, but my personal experiences, present and past, completely support what you’re saying. Besides, I’m pretty sure a woman does decide in the first 5 seconds whether she is going to sleep with a man or not. If you’ve already decided, then what’s the problem?
This was great…
“So men won’t wait indefinitely for the sex, mostly because they can’t. They just can’t… So if you want to win, you have to allow a man to objectify you.”
… Can be found on the Things Men Say To Get The Booty “Best Of ” album.
With other well loved classics like “If you loved me you’d do it” * “So, did you enjoy the steak” * I only wanna go down on you, nothing more” * “Can we just lay together” And your favorite and mine “Let me just put the tip in”
I’ve never even heard of those books, Aaron, but I’m sure I can find similarities throughout history to things said by people like Poe, Crane and Camus. So what’s your point? That what I have to say has already been said somewhere else? Do you think that things said by guys like Chris Rock are somehow new?? The point of satire is entertainment/delivery, not novel ideas. This isn’t the fucking Discovery Channel. geezz
I was respectfully disagreeing with you, attempting to use humor that was obviously lost… my apologies.
I actually think that you’re coming at this from a whole new direction, using an age old premise. That men are different, we equate sex with connectivity, and so women should just give it up… and somehow this will be to their benefit. The assertion that men are different and are more visually stimulated is true, but the conclusion that you then draw from these truths I think is flawed.
I’m not disagreeing that a real connection couldn’t evolve from an encounter that began with sex, but I also don’t agree that it won’t do so if a woman decides to wait.
If a man wants a woman, he’ll want her regardless, just like you said. Waiting will not be the deal breaker, and she will not find herself in the realm of the androgynous, friend, sister category. But that’s my opinion, and maybe you’re a different bread, but I don’t think this applies to most.
With so many men with less than honorable intent, to make a plea for women to be less cautious isn’t in their best interest, but great propaganda for the men who are trying to bed them.
Okay, I understand your perspective. Here’s mine: I do NOT believe that women should be less cautious. On the contrary. All senses should be on high alert. But to wait months to explore sexuality risks – in my view – the spontaneity that fueled the union in the first place. I also agree with you that some men respond differently, based on their particular exposure to emotional intimacy [as children]. But for men like myself, this process tends to dampen my sexual enthusiasm if only because the process begins to feel deconstructed, overly analyzed, and academic. Today’s emphasis on “verbal intimacy” can make sex very boring, indeed. Men are better at showing affection and love through actions, not words. The paradigm today places men on the defensive, rather than the offensive, which doesn’t do much for the male ego. Friendship and raw sexuality are two entirely different things. Confusing the two can present an irreconcilable problem. Check out my next post. I’d love to hear your comments. Thanks for writing.